i don't mean the historic re-election of president obama. i mean karl rove's inability to process the fact it happened. >> do you believe that ohio has been settled? >> no, i don't. look, if we are calling this on the basis of 74% of the vote being in. when 77% is in, the director of the ohio campaign for romney on the other end of the line refreshing the page every few seconds. >> no word on if he's refreshing the website. seriously? >> i feel like you have been mean to karl rove. you have to understand where he was coming from. he wasted over a quarter billion dollars from failing. it was epic. what am i supposed to do. you just wasted millions of dollars. other people's money. people gave you money. you said i got this, i understand this. they gave you hundreds of millions of dollars, you fail and the camera is on you. i would have been -- ohio doesn't exist. i don't see why you are counting votes from them. >> i was waiting for him to say you want evidence, i stole the 2004-2008 election. >> they sent them back to the decision desk. you